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Sweden: Social Democrat ditches Muslim holiday plan

Published: 8 May 11 08:55 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation 

Social Democrat party secretary Carin Jämtin has backtracked on the idea of giving Swedes a day off work to celebrate a Muslim holiday after her controversial proposal provoked a storm of criticism. 
The newly appointed party secretary kick-started the debate when suggesting in a interview earlier this week that any review of Sweden's public holidays should consider making room for the Muslim celebration of Eid al-Fitr. 

Jämtin said the addition of the holiday, which marks the end of Ramadan for Muslims, would help reflect the multicultural nature of Swedish society.

"One could consider whether Eid, the Muslim Christmas Eve, could be a public holiday," she told newspaper Svenska Dagbladet. "Since Sweden is heterogeneous, our holidays ought to reflect some sense that we are different."

However, speaking to Sveriges Radio on Saturday, Jämtin said her party had no plans to conduct an overhaul of Sweden's current battery of public holidays. 

"No, we don't want more holidays, and as such we don't want to make Eid a holiday either," said Jämtin. "We're fine with the holidays we have in Sweden. That's the view of the Social Democrats and that's what I intend to promote."

A wide range of critics noted that Muslims are just one of many religious groups in Sweden, while also questioning the thinking behind adding another religious holiday to the calendar in an increasingly secular country. 

Sweden currently has 11 official public holidays - New Year's Day, Epiphany, Good Friday, Easter Monday, May 1st (International Workers' Day), Ascension Day, National Day, Midsummer's Day, All Saints' Day, Christmas Day and Boxing Day.
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10:19 May 8, 2011 by Infart
With the exception of those who intend for Sweden to be under Sharia law one day, I think everyone saw that this would be a bad idea.
10:46 May 8, 2011 by Just_Kidding
I think distributing free copies of "Illusionen om Gud" (it costs 37 sek) among the muslim population is a better idea. They don't have access to such books in their homeland due to the religiuos censorship.
10:53 May 8, 2011 by HYBRED
Bad idea to say the least. It was attempted political suicide for the Social Democrats. If they want votes to get power you float a idea that the majority of the voters want. And anyone with a brain knows how a idea will fly before it gets made public.
11:38 May 8, 2011 by TheOneWhoTravels
"Social Democrat ditches Muslim holiday plan"

Smart move ya fuckin weirdos. Geez!
11:42 May 8, 2011 by motti
Perhaps the SD might wish to change the Swedish flag. Howabout a blue background with a yellow half moon in the centre?

Remember that before Mohammed, the Moslems prayed to the moon, half, full or quarter. Skaal
12:11 May 8, 2011 by RobinHood
Too late Carin. The damage has already been done.

She won't last long. She'll soon be off to spend more time with her family. The quality of Social Democrat politicians is very poor at the moment. Sweden, and every democracy, needs an effective opposition. Can't they do any better than this?
12:29 May 8, 2011 by IXUS
Swedish establishment views Lebanon as a role model.

To behold the Swedish establishment today is to behold a group who are enthrall to the idea of cultural, ethinic and social suicide. Like Marxism before it (which they also embraced with gusto) it's akin to a physchological illness.The problem is by the time a cure is found it will be too late. By then the establishment patients will have quit their own madhouse to seek refuge elsewhere, leaving others to live among the ruins of Beruit they've created.

God help Sweden.
12:39 May 8, 2011 by jomamas
Look around Swedes - there will be no more Sweden in 1 generation.

I speak from experience, my home city of Mississauga in Canada, is now 100% foreign born or children of foreign born. All of the immigrants are good people, they work hard and follow the law - but of course, they are not Canadian, after all, how could they become Canadian when entirely surrounded by other foreigners.

In these days of mass migration and the absence of physical boundaries due to transportation options - the West will be wiped out unless we take an active role in enforcing immigration laws.
12:40 May 8, 2011 by wenddiver
@IXUS- I completely agree.

She should start up a special holiday for fat old weirdos, which seem to make up the majority of her supporters in the picture.

Has anybody thought that Police snipers could probably stop the car burners even if we don't give them a Muslim hoiday.
12:54 May 8, 2011 by Beavis
Just imagine these muppets were almost elected to run the country.This proposal was as well thoguht out as butlers on the metro.
13:09 May 8, 2011 by Iraniboy
Islamphobic thelocal posters back on track! Funny how 99% are non-Swedes and most probably living outside Sweden!
13:10 May 8, 2011 by PaulTheOctopus
back to stone age
13:26 May 8, 2011 by Syftfel
Now, if she could only ditch herself, and her dictatorial, orwellian, party too Sweden would be a lot better place.
13:47 May 8, 2011 by calebian22
Iraniboy,

The storm of criticism has come from Swedes, not the Local message boards. However, the views of the Islamphobes (or as I view myself, in the know about exclusionary Islam), seem to be reflected in the Swedish population. If it wasn't, the liberally idiotic Social Dems would not have backtracked.
14:19 May 8, 2011 by truthworthy
Great! a victory for SD and bigoted people. This woman has no courage to stand for what she believes. Whether Muslims get holiday or not, her image is destroyed from all sides.

I just want Sweden to declare itself a Christian nation and stop this secular bulsh*t because while they claim there is religious equality and blahblah they discriminate against Muslims when it come to holidays, mosques, minarets, call to prayer, jobs etc. They should just stop telling us about this freedom bullsh*t and be like Saudi Arabia.
14:39 May 8, 2011 by technoviking
Great news.

Step One: Force the radical left to become more centrist in order to survive. Check!

@ Iraniboy

If you could actually read Swedish, you'd see how many Swedes are absolutely disgusted by this on Swedish forums. Go back to your terrorist support forums instead.
15:06 May 8, 2011 by Iraniboy
@calebian

Given the facts that I was nto support that idea, your response is irralavant. I was referring to thelocal posters bashings and slanders against Muslims and NOT criticism of the holiday plan!

@technoviking

I can read Swedish and the language used in those forums are far from your backward immoral conservative standards. Fortunately Sweden is well-governed so that Xenophobic people like you have only chance to express their Xenophobic and accuse others of supporting terrorism in the internet and not real life! That's why I love Sweden. They never give a chance to you and your ilk!
18:14 May 8, 2011 by calebian22
Iraniboy,

How do you figure that the facts don't support the lack of support for including Eid al Fatir as the 12th national holiday in Sweden? If support existed, the social democrats would be leading the charge for inclusion. Support for this inclusion does not exist, hence the back pedaling. The muslim bashing/correct assessment found on the Local is only an echo of what is found in Swedish society.
18:27 May 8, 2011 by huckleberry
Iraniboy,

All you do is run around calling everyone islamaphobes who dares to disagree with your way of thinking give it a rest why don't you
18:36 May 8, 2011 by TheOneWhoTravels
Seriously, who cares about Islam anyway. Those guys are crazy.
18:40 May 8, 2011 by jamesblish
If a big enough chunk of the population are muslims, it would be weird not to have muslim holidays. It's all part of the multicultural society our leaders have strived for for decades. Or do they seriously think people of completely different cultural backgrounds would just come here and adapt, become just like us? Not gonna happen, assimilation has been out of fashion for years. I think we're going to see more of this in the future, and not just in the shape of confused, voter-hunting social democrats. Our main priority should be to protect our constitution and the rights that come with it. That's our main challenge. There are plenty of things about foreign cultures, not just about islam, that are incompatible with the Swedish constitution and that's why we need to defend it. Unfortunately, our politicians are cowardly rats as usual and they will sell it (and us) down the river as fast as they can.
18:41 May 8, 2011 by underskyofsweden
It was not a good idea and it should not be even reflected in the media!

The social democrats should believe that they are not in power anymore!
19:20 May 8, 2011 by Yunis
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: Consider the following facts. Whether you like them is another matter.

1. 9/11 wasn't done by Muslims, it was done by Israel

2. Europe is an atheist and immoral continent that hates Islam.

3. Osama Bin Laden did not die in 2011, he was killed at the end of 2001.

4. America is not interested in fighting terrorism because it is a terrrorist state itself.

5. America wants to break up Pakistan for the following reasons:

a. the country is sitting on the potential energy pipelines from the Middle East/Central Asia to China and India

b. it is an Islamic country with nuclear weapons

c. Pakistan's main ideology, Islam, is diametrically opposed to Zionism and

Israel.

6. The world has more to fear of 'changing' Western values than Islamic ones.

7. Every country America has attacked since it did Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII has been non-white.

8. Al-quada does does not exist.

9. Western mainstream media is extremely distrustfull as a source of truthfull, representational information.

10. America and Britain have committed genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan by, amongst other things, using depleted uranium against the innocent.

11. If Osama Bin Laden did 9/11, why didn't they caputure him first, put him on trial and then sentence him to death? This would put an end to all conspiracy theories.
19:28 May 8, 2011 by wenddiver
I went to the movie "THOR", I would think Thor is a better God than Allah, so I would give him a holiday before the Muslims.

At least Thor uses his hammer for good and is likeable, he comes from a good family and has a pleasant afterlife.

Besides Allah has no plan to deal with the frost giants like Thor does.

Jesus is still my point man, battle partner and my medevac, but if we ever have to pick a second choice I will get a hammer and pick THOR.
19:29 May 8, 2011 by shah85
Comment: Human migration is apart of world history. It is not a new trend. Jomamas mentioned the fact that the the city he lived in Canada is now filled with foreigners. Now I must ask are you a Native American? If not, a few generations back your grandfather and grandmother were immigrants to what we call Canada today. Regardless, it should not matter. One thing I have noticed in these boards is that many people don't realize is that yes after a generation or two these children In Sweden or anywhere else for that matter will become integrated fully into the local country. They will become Swedish, American, Canadian, etc etc. Now, in the case of Sweden some Swedes have to come to grips with reality and accept that a large percentage of your country are now made up of non-ethnic Swedes. For you to integrate these people you have to integrate them into your own culture. Who says a child from immigrant parents whom was born in Sweden, does not speak any other languages but Swedish and just wants to fit in cant enjoy and appreciate a mid summers night holiday or the works of Vilhelm Moberg? In my opinion, the only problem Swedes have is Islam and other organized religion. Now that can be taken care of with logic and education not with stupid comments and ignorance.

Also, Swedes themselves are not foreign to immigration. For those who are familiar with the history of the Rus, or the Vikings know that they traveled extensively to the Near East and in particular to various parts in Iran. Although their intentions was not immigration but plundering a lot of them naturally did end up staying or taking girls and women. So next time some of you decide to be mean to a first or second generation Persian kid , be nice to him, You may have the same ancestor.
19:41 May 8, 2011 by Iraniboy
@calebian and huckleberry

First. once again I have to say that I didn't support that plan. I think everyone should be free to decide when to go on holiday, yet I don't know why this issue can be used for bashing Muslims talking about Sharia ,terrorism or whatever.

Second, if you follow the other posts of most of posters here, you'll notice that most of coming from either North America or UK, so it is totally naiv to think that thelocal poster comments represents Swede's views. Swedes views is what you see out of poll results.

@hucklberry

Disagreeing with someone is different from expressing different view. Talking about holiday is far away from accusing people of terrorism and etc. I can make an example which I assume will be little insulting.

@wendiver

You're priceless. You pick the translation of God in Arabic then you differentiate between two identical words in different languages? Oh yes orange tastes better than apelsin!
20:36 May 8, 2011 by shah85
Mr.Iraniboy I think you are avoiding what Calebian said about what Swedes think of Islam. Where are these poll results? Can you provide them here? I think you are again avoiding reality when you blame people who may not live in Sweden for posting on these forums for disagreeing with Islam along with other Swedes here. Most people who post here are somehow involved with Swedes and Sweden regardless of where they are. Also, why are you so intent on defending Islam? Have you not been to Iran lately? You should. Maybe you'll change your mind.
20:38 May 8, 2011 by planet.sweden
@Yunis

I remember you, you're that Pakistani gentleman living in Britain whose last contribution on these pages was to describe English people as "pigs covered in excrement".

Please do see a doctor before the Bradford Al-qaeda discover you and use you for their own evil ends.

And if any security personnel are reading, "Yunis" really is someone who needs watching. He's a ticking time bomb waiting to go off.
21:02 May 8, 2011 by Infart
" many people don't realize is that yes after a generation or two these children In Sweden or anywhere else for that matter will become integrated fully into the local country. "

@ shah-

In many countries and with most cultures this is the case. Unfortunately, with many of our Muslim friends this is not the case. Their 1st and 2nd generations are teenagers and young adults now and we see that they clearly do not fit into society. We see them turning out as gang members or those who identify far more with their Muslim/Middle Eastern heritage than with their Swedish one. You will find many other cultures who easily assimilate after 1 or 2 generations but not the Muslims. I would like to know why that is.
22:07 May 8, 2011 by shah85
Infart,

The last time I was in Sweden I was speaking to a teenage half Swedish half Foreigner kid whom was telling me how he once was once confronted by the police. When he asked and said why they were treating him as if he was a foreigner, he was born in Sweden and is Swedish. They replied with a smart-aleck comment of "YOUR Swedish?!" Now put yourself in that boys shoes. He wants to be Swedish. He feels it. That is really who he is. However, at the same time he does not feel Swedish enough because many Swedes themselves do not consider him Swedish, even though he was born in Sweden. He also does not feel close enough to what his parents/parent came from because they consider him a foreigner. So he looks for other outlets. Some in gangs, some in religion and some in both. Gangs and Religions do not care who you are and where you came from as long as you dedicate yourself to that inner circle. So they finally end up finding a place where they "belong." Most of the time these places are unhealthy ( Gangs and organized Religion).

One thing Sweden does not have compared to countries that host large amounts of foreigners is Capitalism. Now I am not attempting to promote Capitalism but realistically Capitalism makes money of diversity. Prime example United States. That is why foreigners become so integrated into the system after a short while. The land of the free was not so free until the 1980's when they started promoting individuality and diversity as a means for profit. A plus side of this was that eventually people started accepting those whom did not have the features of a white person as Americans. In Sweden's case, in my opinion, I think Swedes have to reevaluate what a "Swede" Is. Naturally, A lot of Swedes do not like the thought of that. Can a Swedish person only be a ethnic Swede? Or a people whom were born in Sweden and loves Husmanskost? Allowing people to celebrate Eid is not going to make people feel more Swedish. These kids whom are born in Sweden and want to fit in just want to do that. Fit in. Swedes have to accept their reality. Foreigners and kids of foreigners are not going anywhere. Either really attempt to Swedify them even more or continue rejecting them. Then your going to have a bunch of rejects and rejects are dangerous and unhealthy for the rest of society.

Also, foreigners in Sweden are a large group and you can not just lump them all together. You will find Secularists, Atheists, Communists, Christians, Bahais, Jewish, Non-Arab people and others in the foreigners in Sweden. Its not smart to judge a book by its cover and just assume the person is a Arab Muslim because they have different features.
22:30 May 8, 2011 by technoviking
I think Yunis is Laura Kebab's husband.

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